Talk:Warmia

German POV. - Polish agression

I due believe it was the Teutonic order who attacked the Baltic and Slavic peoples, User:Matthead however seems to have a somewhat different historical perspective. It turns out the peoples of the east weren't attacked, but "challenged" by the teutonic order. In another edit, the order doesn't attack or challenge but simply "arrives". What are Mattheads arguments for these edits?Rex 10:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

See my edit. It was not the region like Masovia that made attempts to conquest, it was the rulers there, and these are otherwise claimed as Poles. The Order has arrived after an invitation of Konrad, like reinforcements for Konrad. It was not the Orders idea to attack. How about a NPOV version like: "Several times conquest attempts from Masovia were successfully repelled by Prussians and they only began to coordinate after the 12th century conquest attempts from the Monastic State/Kulmerland."? Not good? Anyway, I adjusted the wording. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not NPOV. Prussians were not just "repelling" the conquest attempts. They were actively raiding Masovia to the point Culmland and northern Masovia were totally depopulated. Szopen 09:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You revision history. Depicting the Teutonic Order as good guys influenced by evil polish princes, please. Did the teutonic attack or didn't it attack? It attacked, there is no need for euphemisms, let alone the ones you made up.Rex 14:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The Teutonic Order conquered and cristianized the area because they were asked to do so in 1226 by Duke Konrad I Mazowiecki. They were encouraged by Pope Gregory IX, see Northern Crusades. This guy was also involved. --Der Eberswalder 18:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

"But we only obeyed the orders", right ? --Lysy^talk 01:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Not the point who asked them. They attacked and murdered people and User:Matthead tries to make them look good.Rex 18:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, what does User:Rex Germanus/Rex' nationalism scale try to make? -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       23:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

A point? Space Cadet 01:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

... like the black one taken by User:Witkacy [1]?-- Matthead ^discuß!     O       02:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, kinda... minus the personal trips and offensiveness. Space Cadet 04:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The Crusade of Konrad of Masovia

A number of attacks by Masovia and Poland (starting in 997) intensified by Konrad I of Masovia, who had attacked, (requested and got a crusade in 1209)[2] and only after he was sucessfully repelled by the Prussians, did he call in the Teutonic Order. Also referenced in Catholic Encyclopedia 1209 crudade against 'pagan' Prussians

Following Text from Catholic Encyclopedia Having failed in all his attempts to induce the barons of the Latin Empire to undertake an expedition against Palestine, and understanding at last the cause of failure of the crusade in 1204, Innocent III resolved (1207) to organize a new crusade and to take no further notice of Constantinople. Circumstances, however, were unfavourable. Instead of concentrating the forces of Christendom against the Mohammedans, the pope himself disbanded them by proclaiming (1209) a crusade against the Albigenses in the south of France, and against the Almohades of Spain (1213), the pagans of Prussia, and John Lackland of England. Labbas 15 January 2007

Still, this is so vague, and open to interpretations. --Lysy^talk 06:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

This is not correct. Konrad II requested the crusade, but only because he couldn't on his own stand against Prussian raids. For example, Prussians sacked Chelmno (Culm) and almost depopulated the whole Culmerland. Also, not sure about the date: 1209? IIRC the crusade was in 1222, after Prussians sacked Plock in 1220 and devastated also northern Masovia. Szopen 09:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nazi crimes in Warmia

The link Nazi crimes in Warmia is called Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles now and does not mention explicit crimes in WARMIA, I removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HerkusMonte (talk • contribs) 13:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Prnce-bishop

Warmia bishops were NOT granted prince-bishop status by HRE emperor - they CLAIMED the title. My sources all agree, that there is no trace of such emperor's privilege, and bishop usurped their title. Szopen (talk) 08:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The furor, the furor

What's this with the Warmians? None of the other Prussian tribes have all these tags and arguments and whatnot. I notice that there are practically no notes. We need notes. Once that has been done on an idea-by-idea basis all the baloney, if there is any, will just vanish away. There's no need to get any warmer about the Warmians than any other Prussians. Why argue when you can usually look it up? First do the work then what you say has some impact.Dave (talk) 03:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)